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[r0d]

Hello everybody !

Before everything, excuse my english because it's not my mother tongue as i'm french.

I have discovered the Native American Indian Dog and ... i'm totally in love with these dogs and now want to learn more about them and maybe have one in the future.
Since many years i'm passionate by the czech wolfdog and more recently by the long hair dutch shepherd dog. I'm planning to have one of both in the future as soon as i've found a house in the woods like i always wanted (i hope this year).

As i said, i'm passionated by czech wolfdog and this is how i've met friends, owner of these dogs. I spend many of my weekend with them and with "our" dog pack: 2 swiss white shepherd, 1 german shepherd (old looking "Altdeutshe Schäferhund") and 2 czech wolfdog.

Here are some pictures of the pack





At this time i have read everything i've found on the internet about AID but i haven't found any owner in France.
Is there really no owner in France ?

As i said, i'm interrested in owning one AID in the future (if it's possibile and if the AID is really a dog for me) but i still need some time to know more about these dogs and maybe have a first contact with them.

Thank you for reading me, and maybe give me some answers and informations !

For sure, i'll keep reading you on this forum and watch pictures of your beatifull dogs !

[liz]

r0d, on Jul 19 2009, 11:46 AM, said:

Hello everybody !

Before everything, excuse my english because it's not my mother tongue as i'm french.

I have discovered the Native American Indian Dog and ... i'm totally in love with these dogs and now want to learn more about them and maybe have one in the future.
Since many years i'm passionate by the czech wolfdog and more recently by the long hair dutch shepherd dog. I'm planning to have one of both in the future as soon as i've found a house in the woods like i always wanted (i hope this year).

As i said, i'm passionated by czech wolfdog and this is how i've met friends, owner of these dogs. I spend many of my weekend with them and with "our" dog pack: 2 swiss white shepherd, 1 german shepherd (old looking "Altdeutshe Schäferhund") and 2 czech wolfdog.

Here are some pictures of the pack





At this time i have read everything i've found on the internet about AID but i haven't found any owner in France.
Is there really no owner in France ?

As i said, i'm interrested in owning one AID in the future (if it's possibile and if the AID is really a dog for me) but i still need some time to know more about these dogs and maybe have a first contact with them.

Thank you for reading me, and maybe give me some answers and informations !

For sure, i'll keep reading you on this forum and watch pictures of your beatifull dogs !

Hi Rod

There are 19 of the dogs here in the UK, and several more in the Netherlands, you will find from reading this forum how amazed we all are by our dogs, my dog is now 11 and still manages to amaze me, he was one of the first litter to be born here in the uk, it's the puppies used for the IIDOBA logo, my dog is the one on the right of the picture.

Once you have met an AID you will most likely be forever in love!

Good luck in your quest to meet one, I am sure it could be arranged.

Your dogs are beautiful too by the way

Edited by liz, 19 July 2009 - 06:08 AM.

[Allison]

Hello R0d!

I hope you do understand that the American Indian Dog is not a hybrid, but the true descendant of the "old dogs" bred by the American Plains Indians. There are some people who are breeding hybrids, and selling them under false pretenses. So don't be fooled.

It is good that you are doing your research. Be sure to read through Kim La Flamme's site, the founder and trustee of our breed, and you are welcome to talk with us here on the International Indian Dog Owners and Breeders (IIDOBA) Forum.


It has been difficult to send dogs to certain countries because of quarantine laws, but more recently, there have been some developments that make us hopeful that we will again be able to get dogs to people in the EU. Perhaps it will be worked out, by the time you have decided.

Très gentil de vous rencontrer. Vous pouvez voir que votre anglais est bien mieux que mon Français, mais j'ai plaisir l'essai.

[r0d]

Allison, on Jul 19 2009, 06:33 PM, said:

Hello R0d!

I hope you do understand that the American Indian Dog is not a hybrid, but the true descendant of the "old dogs" bred by the American Plains Indians. There are some people who are breeding hybrids, and selling them under false pretenses. So don't be fooled.

It is good that you are doing your research. Be sure to read through Kim La Flamme's site, the founder and trustee of our breed, and you are welcome to talk with us here on the International Indian Dog Owners and Breeders (IIDOBA) Forum.


It has been difficult to send dogs to certain countries because of quarantine laws, but more recently, there have been some developments that make us hopeful that we will again be able to get dogs to people in the EU. Perhaps it will be worked out, by the time you have decided.

Très gentil de vous rencontrer. Vous pouvez voir que votre anglais est bien mieux que mon Français, mais j'ai plaisir l'essai.

Thank you Liz and Alisson for your answers !

I understand that American Indian Dog are not hybrid but i'm not absolutely looking for hybrids. What i really like is the "history and spirit" around these dogs. Of course i also like their appearence especially brown with blue eyes !

I have still a lot to learn about them and i will take the time to read everything i can but there is something i don't really understand:

If you "mate" (or "cross" i don't know the english word for this) a UK AIDog (like the one you own Liz) with an AIDog from Netherlands are the puppies still considered as "Native American Indian Dog" ?
My question may be unclear, but what i would like to know is if it's possible to find puppies in Europe or if they absolutely need to be born in USA to be considered as AIDogs.
Having a dog from USA seems for me impossible regarding the cost, papers, and the travel inflicted to the dog.
I think a shortest travel in europe by car is more possible for me and for the dog (because the dog will not be alone but with me).

One more time excuse my english and if something is unclear, feel free to ask me to find other words to explain what i'm trying to say

Have a nice week !

(Your french isn't bad Allison but i think it's easier for a french to learn English than the opposite. That's why i appreciate your effort )

[judyk]

r0d, on Jul 19 2009, 05:24 PM, said:

Thank you Liz and Alisson for your answers !

I understand that American Indian Dog are not hybrid but i'm not absolutely looking for hybrids. What i really like is the "history and spirit" around these dogs. Of course i also like their appearence especially brown with blue eyes !

I have still a lot to learn about them and i will take the time to read everything i can but there is something i don't really understand:

If you "mate" (or "cross" i don't know the english word for this) a UK AIDog (like the one you own Liz) with an AIDog from Netherlands are the puppies still considered as "Native American Indian Dog" ?
My question may be unclear, but what i would like to know is if it's possible to find puppies in Europe or if they absolutely need to be born in USA to be considered as AIDogs.
Having a dog from USA seems for me impossible regarding the cost, papers, and the travel inflicted to the dog.
I think a shortest travel in europe by car is more possible for me and for the dog (because the dog will not be alone but with me).

One more time excuse my english and if something is unclear, feel free to ask me to find other words to explain what i'm trying to say

Have a nice week !

(Your french isn't bad Allison but i think it's easier for a french to learn English than the opposite. That's why i appreciate your effort )

Welcome potential future owner Rod!

First you must remember that Native American Indian Dogs and American Indian Dogs are two completely different animals. The American Indian Dogs (which is the site you are currently on) are wonderful. They are not hybrids like the Native AMerican Indian Dogs are. They are fantastic dogs but they are not for everyone. It is important that you read all the material on the AIDS as well as the breeders home page, Kim LaFlamme. Mr. LaFlamme has devoted his entire life to these dogs. I commend you for doing your research and, if one day you make the choice to own one of these animals, you will never be disappointed. Our oldest is almost 12. We have owned six and have never regretted the wisdom they bring out in us as owners.

Judy K in Michigan

[Karen]

Those Czech Wolfhounds are beautiful dogs, and look a lot like AIDs.

People should never apologize for not speaking perfect English. Most Americans don't speak any second language, and when we do we don't get the opportunity to practice because everyone wants to practice their English with us! Your English is so much better than my French or Spanish, if you can even call it "mine". You should see the way many Americans write their native tongue.

Welcome to the forum.

Karen

[Allison]

r0d, Kim tells me the quarantine laws for France are not as strict. There is also an owner who may be breeding in the future, in Switzerland. Kim will send you his address, if you email and ask him, and you can meet his dog Coydo. That would be the closest to you.

There was a wonderful breeder associated with Mr. La Flamme in the UK, but she are no longer breeding. So, for now, there is only Kim, here in the states.

We have recently heard from people who thought they were getting one of our dogs, from some ad in a paper, or over the Internet, and are very angry to find that the dog they paid for is nothing like our AIDogs. So do be careful.

[Jamacee]

Karen, on Jul 19 2009, 09:10 PM, said:

Those Czech Wolfhounds are beautiful dogs, and look a lot like AIDs.

You should see the way many Americans write their native tongue.

Welcome to the forum.

Karen

Allison, on Jul 19 2009, 11:15 PM, said:

There was a wonderful breeder associated with Mr. La Flamme in the UK, but she are no longer breeding.

A'hem - case in point. J/K allison it was a funny coincidence (sp?) Bwahahaha I am no better.

Rod,

Researching the Czech Wolfdog is what brought me here to this site aswell. I am 3rd generation Moravian+Czech/Slovak american. Naturally the Czech dog spoke to my families roots. I will strongly urge you to continue your research on anything hybrid. You can also speak with Kim LaFlamme in regards to hybrids and pure bred wolves aswell, he has had previous experience with them in intimate settings. Keep in mind if the animal you look at has the words 'Native,Wolf,or Hybrid' someone has tried to breed in a wolf somewhere into the dogs lines. Also as Allison said be careful about being fooled by irreputable breeders. Send Kim a email and he will certainly be more than pleased to shed some wisdom on the breed and reputable owners. Be patient with his response since he has slooow internet.

I am waiting for my AID patiently and currently have a short haired dutch shepherd. Welcome to the forum Rod the people here are very kind and very helpful and I consider them good friends. If you determine that a AID is right for you then I don't think you'll be disappointed.

Sincerely,

Jason

[liz]

Allison, on Jul 20 2009, 04:15 AM, said:

r0d, Kim tells me the quarantine laws for France are not as strict. There is also an owner who may be breeding in the future, in Switzerland. Kim will send you his address, if you email and ask him, and you can meet his dog Coydo. That would be the closest to you.

There was a wonderful breeder associated with Mr. La Flamme in the UK, but she are no longer breeding. So, for now, there is only Kim, here in the states.

We have recently heard from people who thought they were getting one of our dogs, from some ad in a paper, or over the Internet, and are very angry to find that the dog they paid for is nothing like our AIDogs. So do be careful.

I'm sure Sarah would love to know that you called her a 'wonderful breeder' I have one of her wonderful dogs! Unfortunately as you say she is not breeding from Skye and Storm due to their age now, she still has Shunka's younger sister Thunder though, a blue eyed sable I think she is.

Rod we would not breed our dogs without permission from Kim, you would have to verify any EU bred dog with him for safety, I can not breed Shunka with any of the UK dogs as they are all his immediate family, Kim does not allow such close in breeding and we wouldn't want it either. It would be the same thing if I bred him with a dog on the continent, it would not be without his permission as he is the only person who knows all the bloodlines.

You can be sure if you keep in contact with the forum and Kim, you would be very unlucky to get a dog that is a wrong one.

[r0d]

Hi !

I will try to answer to everyone's reply and one more time thank you for the time you take to answer all my questions

@judyk: i knew there was two kind of AID but i had missanderstood it because i thought Native American Indian Dog was the "real" breed" (i mean old bloodlines). So thank you to correct this point as i'm not looking for an hybrid (that i'm quite sure is not allowed in France). So when i'm saying i'm interrested in an AID i talk about Kim La Flamme's dogs bloodline. I will comme later on that point an how i made that confusion. But i had understood that there was a "real" breed and hybrids and that's how i have found this forum and that's why i have posted here because i knew you where talking about the "real" AID ! When i read all your post here i can see that you live something strong with them and that's what i'm looking for

@Karen: Yes those Czech Wolfdogs are really beautifull and specially one of it make me love this breed because she (but i think you say "it" even if it's a female) is really super cool and sweet (but with a lot of energy cause she's still young!). The other one still keep distance with me and is more wild but i trust in time, and with time she (a female too) will trust me more. One more time they are not my dogs because at this moment it's not possible for me to have one of that size, but i spend a lot time with them and with my friends which have really good advices and know really good their dog. I'm sure they wiil be curious too about the AID

@Alisson: thank you for having asked Kim about quarantine laws for France. This is something i'll also do here but at this moment i have a lot to do with paper and i have to start with the house i'm looking for but of course i'll try to find informations about this. I have discovered Peter's website the same day i have discovered this forum (Is he on this forum ?) I come back on the confusion about NAID and AID: that's why because his website is www.nativeamericandog.com and i have associated "native" with "real" because i have seen that he has Coydo from Kim La Flamme. (but be sure, now i know that NAID are not for me and that we are all talking about AID ! ^^)
If i go to the end of this "approach" of course i'll be carefull not to be fooled and i will ask for your advices before doing anything.
If you have more informations about breeding in Switzerland, i would be glad to know more. I have seen on Google Map that Peter isn't far away from me as i leave just near Germany and Switzerland.

@liz: i understand the respect you have for Kim (can i call him Kim too ?) and this is a point i had quite understood myself because i haven't seen any puppies other then from Kim. When i see the work he has done, i can understand that none of you would interfere into his work (not sure this sentence is correct and fully understandable, sorry).
I also understand familly and blood stuff, and why it could be dangerous for the dogs and for the breed. My only goal with all my question is to find an AID close to France.
Before contacting Kim i want to know more about AID and really think if an AID would be happy with me and "vice versa" and i have time to think about it (remember: house first ! ^^)

@Jamacee: in France you are not allowed to own a dog with too much wolf in blood that's why i only trust czech wolfdogs as an hybrid because it is recognized as a dog breed and allowed (and has still wolf in blood and in mind !). I won't take the risk to own a forbidden animal, fake papers and finally take the risk to see the dog being killed because of that. I really love wolves and i love them even more in mountains free ! Czech wolfdogs are a good compromise bewtween what i want and wht is what is right (or fair). But this is my opinion and i respect people who made the choice to own a high % wolfdog.
It seems that we had "the same path" : czech wolfdog -> dutch shepherd -> AID
I have never met any dutch shephred in real life, but this is something i will do: going to meet a breeder and spend time with his dogs. This is something i have done years ago with czech wolfdog and my first contact was "waw ! one day i'll have my own czech" and today i can spend lots of weekend with them and in a near future spend all my days with one !

Ok it seems that i have done my homeworks today replying all of you and i want to thank you again to take the time to write me some words and share your passion and advices !

Hope to read you soon have a nice night/day

(Homeworks is a joke, i'm actually 28 and school is far far away now ^^)

[Karen]

r0d, on Jul 21 2009, 02:33 PM, said:

Hi !

@Karen:(but i think you say "it" even if it's a female)

We do refer to animals, people, etc....anything with actual sex organs.....by their gender. So, yes, a dog is "she" if we know her sex. If we do not, the dog is "it".

[Sandra]

Bonjour Rod,

Nous sommes de Belgique ( coté Flamande) . Etes vous du nord de France ?
Nous avons un AID. C'est notre 2ième. La première a eu un accident avec un voiture l'année passée. C'était dûre .
Maintenant nous avons Kyona depuis fin juin. Elle est fantastic !

Tous les chiens de Kim Laflamme sont magnifique !

Welcome to the forum !

[Allison]

Peter is in University, in Switzerland, and so he does not check in with us, too much, but we are able to contact him, and do try his link on his page. I am certain he will make time to meet you.

[liz]

Allison, on Jul 22 2009, 03:32 PM, said:

Peter is in University, in Switzerland, and so he does not check in with us, too much, but we are able to contact him, and do try his link on his page. I am certain he will make time to meet you.

I see Sandra has been in contact with you, hope you are in the North as she mentions, your english is a great deal better than my french these days, I studied it for 5 years at school, but haven't used it since, and it was a rather long time ago!

Good luck in your quest to meet one of our dogs, if y ou are ever in the S.W uk, you could give us a call!

[r0d]

Hi !

@Karen: thank you for the clarification

@Sandra: i will reply in english in order everybody can understand it
Actually i live few minutes near Strasbourg so it's not far away from Belgium. I could do the trip one day to discover Belgium and meet you and Kyona ? Right now it's impossible for me as i don't have a lot of freetime, but changes will happen in my life in nexts months or next year, but i have many things to do before ...

@Allison: I just sent an email to Peter, and now i'm hopping he will receive it and reply to me. I keep you all in touch.

@liz: I have traveled a lot around Europe (north and east) but UK is on my "country to discover" list Thank you, if one day i have the opportunity to spend some days in UK i'll call you !

Have a nice weekend everybody !