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[Maris Can Fly]

Hi everyone,

I'm new to this forum as well as to American Indian Dogs. I stumbled across this site after countless hours of research on dog breeds. You see, I'm hoping to get a dog sometime next year, so I've been spending a lot of my free time doing a whole lot of research.

Before I found Song Dog, I found a number of kennels that breed "Native American Indian Dogs". At first I was intrigued, but I as trudged through these poorly-designed and impossible to navigate websites, I realized what I was seeing was people who were trying to cash in on the whole "Designer Dog" trend. A major red flag was the proclamations of "Hypoallergenic!" and the many 'hybrids' that were available. I was especially horrified to see that prices on these dogs changed depending on eye and coat colors (for example, blue-eyed dogs were much more expensive).

After that scary experience, I was compelled to take the 'native' out of my 'native american indian dog' search in google. That's when Song Dog Kennels came up. Right off the bat it was obvious that this place was different. There was no link in the navigation that said "PUPPIES!!!", there was tons of information available and of course this forum. Websites for breeders of so called champion purebred dogs never have all these things! So I spent hours reading and reading, and reading some more. I spent even more time lurking on these forums reading about owner's experiences.

I finally decided to join the forums because AI Dogs have enchanted me. They have incredible intelligence, loyalty and beauty, minus genetic defects and myriad diseases that 'purebreeds' have. What more can a person ask for? So, I hope that when I can finally get my dog, it will be an AID. I also hope that the AID community continues to thrive (you all are so helpful and passionate!) and that people in the dog community in general will educate themselves more not only on AIDs, but genetics too .

Wow that was really long. Sorry about that. I promise I'm done!

-Maris

[Allison]

So nice to meet you! Yes, you've found the real deal, here, with Kim's dogs, and his lifetime of research and working with the Elder's. Now, he has joined that status, himself.

I hope you will write to him, and let him know of your intentions. He will have a waiting list going, and you may want to get on that.

Oh my gosh! Someone who takes the time to research, and read! You've already jumped to the head of the pack!

Kidding aside, he does look for people who are willing to take the time to understand who and what these dogs are, what their historical significance is, and what they require to be happy and healthy. Gee, I've known him 9 years, and he loves and worries about every single dog. In fact, the agreement owners must sign, says that if they cannot take care of their dog for any reason, they will return the dog to him. I've even known him to offer veterinary care to owners who could not afford it.

He is very dedicated, an exceptional person, and so it is no wonder that his dogs are also exceptional.

But enough of that. Tell us about yourself, can you really fly?

[Maris Can Fly]

Bwahahaha, I like to think I can fly!

But anyway, well, I'm 22, live in far west Texas and in college. I'm majoring in graphic design, so I'm creative with a practical side. I love art, but I also really love reading, writing, music and of course animals. I think I'm pretty smart, but I'm also very quirky and even a little weird sometimes .

I feel that in this point in my life is the perfect time to get a dog because I'm only taking a couple of classes per semester (I got the basics out of the way a while ago), so I have plenty of time to spend with a dog.

I really love animals, and this is something that's in my genes. My uncles rescue stray dogs and cats all the time. In fact one of my uncles has ten dogs because he rescued a pregnant stray AND her mate :Bwahahaha: . He didn't have the heart to give away the puppies, and he takes excellent care of them. My grandfather also rescues strays, and he is the ultimate pack leader. He has never formally trained any of the animals he's had, but they have always respected him, protected him and of course loved him to pieces. My great-grandfather had a monkey that died shortly after he did of grief. I think my mom is the only one of her siblings that didn't inherit the gene, but ironically enough I did .

So here I am! Since I still live with my parents, I have to educate them about American Indian dogs and get the okay from them. I'll probably prepare a nice powerpoint for them or something, since I've found that they respond better to stuff like that than when I just casually talk about it. As soon as I know how my parents feel, I will definitely contact Kim directly.

-Maris

[Allison]

I sent Kim your first post. He was glad that you had already spotted the hybrids. Here is his regular response to inquiries, like yours:

Kim La Flamme said:

We are the only founder/trustee breeders of the true American Indian Dogs. We have owners near you & in all the US states, Canada & Europe, ( if you would like to meet or talk to them about their AIDogs, give me a call - 541-597-2871 - & I will give you there phone #’s) but there are no other breeders. All true original AIDog pups related to the OLD DOGS come only from here at Song Dog kennels in Southern Oregon. Please read all through our web sites & the important information (below) before calling for an interview & or owners near you.



Thanks for your inquiry concerning American Indian Dogs. To become an owner of an A.I.Dog, we require a phone interview to determine if this is the right breed of Dog for you, your lifestyle & vise versa. Puppies are $850.00, not including shipping, ($2,000.00 including all costs to Europe) please read all through the web sites before calling & the 'owners opinions,’ testimonial pages, Origins of the AIDogs, Modern History page plus the many A.I.Dog web site links; (listed below). This price we put on pups is just what it costs us to just “break even” to maintain all of the individual breeders & save them as a breed, keeping them healthy & preserved for future generations to enjoy. We don’t even expect a wage or profit for ourselves here at Song Dog Kennel or IIDOBA our breed club. We do except donations of meat, dog food, help & thank all those owners, IIDOBA board of directors, web site builders, local butchers & markets that have helped save our breed.



In our opinion & more than 800 owners of AIDogs now; …. AIDogs have the most unlimited potential also the smartest dogs for training than any other dog breed in the world today. We are continuing the selective breeding taught to us by our elders, using them for working service dogs for handy capped children, therapy dogs, search & rescue, drug & bomb dogs, amazing family companions, frisbee champions, lure coursing, ski joring, sled dog racing …etc. They are the closest thing we have left today of the Old aboriginal “First Nations Peoples” dogs, descended from the old dogs from thousands of years ago. Since we do not want them involved with AKC or any of the “big brother” registry’s …. there has been lots of miss conceptions & political miss information through the 50 years we have been researching & saving this “breed”. So please try to learn all about them before you read the miss information & become confused by these people that don’t understand the “Old Ways” & differing cultural teachings. Much of this slanderous miss information has been spread by 2 ex breeders that were removed from the breeding program 20 years ago, that refused to fallow the breeding code of ethics & rules set up by our breed club; trying to start their own club to take our breed to AKC. Don’t believe the hoax set up by these “pure blue blood” AKC want to be’s trying to slander the founders & the AIDog breed.

Also be sure you understand that the A.I.Dog is not a wolf & or coyote hybrid, as there are unscrupulous wolf hybrid breeders trying to market their wolf & or coyote hybrids now, falsely calling them, so called; ‘’ Native American Indian Dogs”, N.A.I.D.s or Native American Shepherds - If you are looking for a wolf hybrid we would not recommend them for family pets …. but at least if you are looking for a wolf hybrid …. find an ethical breeder that will tell you what you are getting.



Here are a few contact experts to help you understand what a wolf hybrid is & the unscrupulous breeders trying to market them as Indian Dogs, as it is very important to know the deference, you don’t want a wolf hybrid as a family pet …. don’t let them fool you into believing wolf hybrids make good family pets. --- Eileen Liska; Michigan State wild life Lobbyist = eliska01@comcast.net --- James Hammill, Wild life consultant / Biologist for the State of Michigan = 906-875-6487 or jimhammill@hughes.net ----- Beth Duman, wolf dog expert = peziza@aol.com ---- Marci Tepper, head of Co, Humane Society where wolf dog breeders are in Michigan = 616-835-0580. I can also give you a long list of people that bought these false Indian dogs that had to give them up to rescue’s or have them euthonized. Please contact these experts for questions on wolf hybrids or what is a REAL American Indian Dog & unethical breeders calling them NAID’s. Plus talk to people that know all about wolf hybrids & what is happening with all of our rescue’s being full up with them & every year 2.2 million are euthanized. …. For further information on this subject or if you are just looking for a rescue dog of any breed or mixed breed from a very reputable sanctuary, that needs a good home go to ; http://www.milofoundation.org = Gregory Slugocki - Sanctuary Manager - Milo Sanctuary – 707-459-0930.

There are now lots of unethical breeders trying to get a hold of our true A.I.Dogs. In order to breed them to their hybrids & other breeds to increase their breeds health & disposition, but this does nothing for our A.I.Dog breed, as it is already very healthy & our selective breeding is controlled & doing very well. This is one reason we do not allow back yard breeder owners & require spay & neutering with our breed, to keep it healthy, both mentally & physically, plus we want to continue to breed in the “Old Ways” taught to us by our ancestors, with very controlled breeding programs ….. please be careful of these unethical breeders.



For more info., on true registered A.I.Dogs & or an interview to get on the A.I.Dogs waiting list, please call me at 541- 597-2871. I can give you the phone # of the closest A.I.Dog area rep. that has a list of owners close to you … to talk to you about there AIDogs or that would love to show you their A.I.Dogs. It’s the individual owners of any dog that shows the true potential of any breed, so please do your research & contact owners of any breed you are interested in. Of coarse talk to the breeders, but some breeders won’t give you there buyers names, (but only breeders that got dogs from them) so get the owners of there breed or individual dogs phone #’s to see what they think of the breed & or individual dogs.



We usually have a litter coming soon, or pups available, so if you are interested in the AIDog breed, give us a call …. You can also read about new research, talk to AIDog owners & up-dates on pups that may be available on our owners IIDOBA forum at; www.iidoba.org/forums ….. thanks for your interest ~



Kim La Flamme,

Founder/trustee of the A.I.Dog breed for over 45 years & Pres., of the A.I.Dog registry & IIDOBA -- members of the Smithsonian National American Indian Museum, Southern Oregon Indian Center, Red Earth Descendants, National Indian Rights Alliance - www.indiandogs.com - www.americanindiandogs.com - www.iidoba.org - www.indiandoggatherings.com – IIDOBA (AIDog breed club) forum = www.iidoba.org/forums/ - www.nativeamericandogs.com - www.nativeamericandogs.info - www.indiandogsinaction.com - www.ipdba.8k.com - www.k9kings.com -

[Maris Can Fly]

Thank you so much for the information! I will be calling Kim as soon as I know that everyone in the family is ok with an AI Dog and when I'm ready to bring a dog home.

Again, Thank You (and Kim!)
-Maris