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#1 N'wa

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Posted 08 February 2011 - 10:25 PM

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Posted 09 February 2011 - 06:59 AM

Wow. Haven't seen that before. Your pup is young, too. Judging from the fur and paw close up. Is he she getting along alright? Eating okay, and all else?
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Posted 09 February 2011 - 08:34 AM

He is 5 mos old and is growing normally. That depends on who you ask I guess. Our vet called a vet dentist who advised her to remove the teeth that were making open wounds in his gums. Kim said no. AIDs do have overbites and he will develop callouses, I guess you might say, where the teeth wear on the soft tissue. We are just watching and waiting to see what happens when all the adult teeth are in. I soften his dry food by mixing it with canned food. He laps at his food like a cat.

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Posted 09 February 2011 - 04:19 PM

What does he look like from the side or front?
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Posted 09 February 2011 - 04:37 PM

Well, you asked............. It's impressive and sad at the same time!!

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Posted 09 February 2011 - 05:09 PM

Sorry NWA this is not a normaly jaw line by any means.... Poor baby. Glad you put this on the froum.

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Posted 10 February 2011 - 07:36 AM

How does he look without lifting up his lips? Does he look normal-ish?

I think I do remember hearing about one other dog with an overbite, in my 10 + years of knowing Kim.

So sorry for the little fellow. Other than that he is happy and healthy, I hope.
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Posted 10 February 2011 - 03:35 PM

This is extreme, but there are breeds with undershot jaws, and the breeds go on. As long as he's able to eat and you take care of his teeth well, maybe it will be OK. Can he chew on bully sticks? If he can't chew, you are going to have to be extra diligent with his tooth care.
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Posted 10 February 2011 - 07:42 PM

No, he doesn't like rawhide, bones, the normal chewy material dogs like. He does like an occasional lady's slipper or a dog bed or soft toy filled with poly stuffing, though, LOL He will tear into any one of those !!! Other than that, he eats like a king. Bison, beef, veggies, and fruit. He is almost 5 months and weighs 30+ pounds.

Yes...he looks very "normalish" He is wonderful in every other way!!

On a more serious note........
Our vet examined MiKah and immediately sought the advice of a canine dentist. They both had all kinds of ideas about what we should do. None of them are realistic. I liked Kim's attitude. There are imperfections in the animal world. AID's are no exception. Dogs adapt. "As long has he is eating and growing normally, probably won't be a problem. May need to extract or file the problem teeth to prevent soft tissue damage."

However, I personally found a lot of info out there on the potential long term problems caused by an overshot bite or "Parrot Mouth" as it is called. "An over bite malocclusion is not considered normal in any breed and is a genetic fault." The good news is, from what I read, the canine mouth grows until about the age of 10 months and there is a good possibility it will self correct. We have about 5 more months to find out.

"Within the standard for each breed there are specifications as to what are the acceptable parameters for bite. For most breeds, the scissors bite is ideal. Scissors bite is one in which the upper incisors just overlap and touch the lower incisors." "An overshot bite can create dificulties for the dog grasping with both jaws and in severe cases the growth of the adult teeth can cause significant injury to the soft tissues of the dog's mouth." (He may not be the champion Frisbee catcher!!)

I hope that MiKah's problem is just a rare finding. We know he will never pass on this genetic information so we hope it will stay unique to him.

When I discovered his bite issue, a fellow AID owner asked me to share it with the Forum. I agreed. I just hope, as a result, we are all reminded to pay closer attention to our doggys' teeth and provide good dental hygiene regardless.

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Posted 10 February 2011 - 08:29 PM

Gee, from the front he looks very normal, and cute, really. He has the narrow face of some of the more Coyote looking dogs.

So sorry you two have to deal with these extra issues.

Interesting that there is some idea that there is still time to grow, and hope it proves useful to you.

Sitka is 1 year old, and I am still surprised by how much is continuing to develop in him. He is a skinny little critter,and changing still. Nothing set in stone.

Hope for the best for you and MiKah.

...a fellow AID owner asked me to share it with the Forum.


Glad you did. It is certainly a rare thing, but we all are glad to be informed. As you said, we should all be aware of the dental health of our dogs.
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Posted 12 February 2011 - 04:00 PM

Yes, thanks for sharing.....we all have imperfections....some are just more noticeable than others.....he sure is a handsome pup, one that looks VERY easy to love!!! Please keep us updated.....
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Posted 13 February 2011 - 09:44 PM

My mom has a Cardigan Welsh Corgi that had this issue, and hers was also severe. Depending on the severity of the issue, the problem with the lower adult canines causing wounds into the upper pallet is that eventually the puncture can reach the nasal cavity (and nerves?) and cause infections and additional pain of course . If he's lapping at his food or not wanting to chew things that most pups would to alleviate teething, I would suggest he is in pain. My mom took her dog to a few vets and doggie dentists for the best option. Depending on the dog's jaw you can have the lower canines removed. This was not an option for my mom's dog, due to her lower jaw being too narrow as to risk breaking it while extracting the teeth. They opted instead to have the lower canines trimmed down so they would stop connecting with the upper pallet. Just keep taking the pup to the vet to keep a reall eye on it. I agree that mistakes happen in nature, and that things can right themselves, but nature also has painful natural selection, whereas we can have compasion and help to make our pets a little more comfortable :)
I hope this helps!

Here is a link on some abnormalities. #1 has the info on the over bite:
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Posted 27 April 2012 - 01:56 PM

I don't know if this is in the right topic or not but,

Ive noticed on the breed standard section of song dog kennels website it says.TEETH: Scissor bite only. Full and sound dentition required.

what exactly does it pertain to?

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 02:52 PM

How does he look without lifting up his lips? Does he look normal-ish?

I think I do remember hearing about one other dog with an overbite, in my 10 + years of knowing Kim.

So sorry for the little fellow. Other than that he is happy and healthy, I hope.


Draco's brother, Rocco, had a pretty good overbite. As a puppy, Kim also told us it could self correct. We were prepared for some expensive dental work but it seemingly has taken care of itself. His adult teeth aren't angled so they hurt his gums. He is a picky eater because of it but is otherwise doing fine.

And a litter mate of Wicca's had a minor overbite.

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Posted 29 July 2017 - 11:59 AM

Darmok also has an overbite but he seems to be doing Ok with it thus far.  He has problem picking up finer things from the floor, which is actually fine with me because he's a canine vacuum cleaner and I tire of pulling things out of this guys mouth.  The Vet is keeping an eye on this as well as his undescended testicles.



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Posted 01 August 2017 - 08:10 PM

Darmok also has an overbite but he seems to be doing Ok with it thus far.  He has problem picking up finer things from the floor, which is actually fine with me because he's a canine vacuum cleaner and I tire of pulling things out of this guys mouth.  The Vet is keeping an eye on this as well as his undescended testicles.

Your poor boy seems to be having just the best of luck

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Posted 02 August 2017 - 06:47 AM

I thought I read on the SDK website on that AI Dogs have an overbite and also paws that may point out.

Both Tayamni and Coffey have an overbite - NOT like N'wa because the teeth do touch but the lower jaw is smaller/shorter.

The bottom front teeth all slant forward to meet the top teeth.

 

The teeth all sit in place correctly top and bottom so it really does seem to be a breed quality (not extreme like the initial post).

When the dogs are laying upside down we can really see it.  They have no problems eating, playing, tugging, or carrying things in their mouths.

(neither dogs are fetch or Frisbee dogs - they just never liked that activity.  Coffey will catch something tossed to him once and a while.  They prefer to run and play on their own). 

 

They have different tribal ancestry (from the pedigrees).

Tayamni is a plains style dog and she stands with her front feet toes pointing out.

Coffey has more Talhtan type and his paws face straight forward.

 

Even though there are differences people that meet them do recognize them as being related / same breed.






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