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#61 RoyS

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Posted 20 July 2013 - 01:24 PM

I am sorry for changing the current conversation here but what is everyone's thought about salmonella since we are talking about raw. My wife is not quite on board yet with the raw diet. She had run into our vet a week or two ago and asked about feeding raw eggs. The vet said not to due to salmonella. So tonight I tried Chaska with his first chicken leg and she doesn't understand why I want to feed him raw as she is worried about it. She is worried about him licking on the girls after eating raw and such. I have told her of the benefits of him eating raw. Better for their teeth, breathe, and overall wellness. 

 

So were any of you apprehensive about starting the raw diet due to this as well? I am not sure what Chaska thought of the leg. He ate the kibble and just moved the leg to get the rest of the dry food. I end up cutting the meat off the bone and he slowly ate a piece then left the room. He end up coming back and eating the rest. I tried giving him the bone but he kept wanting to take it out to the living room and laying it on the carpet so he could gnaw on it there. I kept putting it back in his bowl. I could tell he wanted it but told him he had to stay in the laundry room where we feed him. He keeps looking to make sure it is still in the bowl but won't go get it now. 



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Posted 20 July 2013 - 03:35 PM

Let's see, tonight Waki picked up a dead fish (and put it back down when I asked) so, no. We are not a family of delicate constitution. I survived growing up in the '70s. I've eaten plenty of raw eggs since my mother was fond of making deserts and I always got to lick the bowl. Everyone drank out of the communal pop bottle back then (friends, family). We ate rare burgers and drank from streams. When I was 3 I ate a pretend sand breakfast for real. Over the years our dogs have done worse with road kill, poop, dead rodents, dead birds and live turtle tipping. Plus Waki feeds himself all day (bugs, snakes, frogs, mice). It was a savage and glorious childhood.


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Posted 21 July 2013 - 05:22 AM

I am sorry for changing the current conversation here but what is everyone's thought about salmonella since we are talking about raw. My wife is not quite on board yet with the raw diet. She had run into our vet a week or two ago and asked about feeding raw eggs. The vet said not to due to salmonella. So tonight I tried Chaska with his first chicken leg and she doesn't understand why I want to feed him raw as she is worried about it. She is worried about him licking on the girls after eating raw and such. I have told her of the benefits of him eating raw. Better for their teeth, breathe, and overall wellness. 

 

So were any of you apprehensive about starting the raw diet due to this as well? I am not sure what Chaska thought of the leg. He ate the kibble and just moved the leg to get the rest of the dry food. I end up cutting the meat off the bone and he slowly ate a piece then left the room. He end up coming back and eating the rest. I tried giving him the bone but he kept wanting to take it out to the living room and laying it on the carpet so he could gnaw on it there. I kept putting it back in his bowl. I could tell he wanted it but told him he had to stay in the laundry room where we feed him. He keeps looking to make sure it is still in the bowl but won't go get it now. 

 

Apprehensive?  You bet.  So, we've only gone part way.  Raw chicken, turkey, etc, is a significant part of our dogs diet.  We started by just adding a raw chicken leg and cutting back a caloric equivalent on the kibble.  (We have been using the brand Instinct.  Instinct has a range of products based on the raw concept.)  Our dogs love it.

 

And, their coats are nicer, they seem to scratch less, their poops are smaller and almost never soft or runny,  They do not lack for energy!!

We really don't want to think about and make a list of the specific things, materials etc. that these dogs put their bodies, noses, mouths, tongues on, in under, around or through during the day.  Otherwise, we might never pet them, hug them, nuzzle them.

 

I know it's anecdotal, but.... Joan and I have noticed that since we've had the dogs we've been less sick.  Part of it is that we just feel uplifted having our dogs.  

 

Part of it is that, one way they help us is by exposing us to more of our environment.  Including building up immunity.  Joan mentioned the other day that Wicca came inside, found her and when Joan bent down, Wicca gave her the biggest kiss!!  It was obviously such a precious moment for them, I didn't have the heart to tell Joan what I saw Wicca just eating outside.

 

Just our opinion.... our dogs have made us healthier -- by a long shot.

 

We currently are taking care of Rocco.  So, each of the three AI Dogs goes about things differently.  Little Wicca is a huntress -- she grabs her chicken leg, starts on one end and rolls her eyes back, bites of slices from one end right down the length of it.

 

Rocco isn't used to getting raw, so he spends quite a lot of time looking at it.  A few barks, then he lays down.  He kind of eviscerates it; exposes bone then chews pieces off the bone.

 

Draco is weirder.  He immediately runs and buries his.  He then slinks around watching Wicca & Rocco eat theirs.  If he gets the opportunity, he will jump-sneak in and take theirs.  We don't let him but he's done it.  When he does, he eats theirs greedily.  When he doesn't, he waits, then goes and gets his, brings it and typically lays half way between Rocco & Wicca.  (It feels like he's bragging or showing off that he has something they don't.  But, it could be that he no longer feels his food source is threatened)

 

We strictly monitor the giving of the bones.  We wouldn't even attempt it indoors.  The dogs have their own thresholds of accepting dirt in the house; we draw the line and don't want raw body parts being dragged around inside the house!! 

 

We absolutely trust our dogs.  The other day I lay down very close to Wicca's mouth while she was chomping down a leg.  I can tell that no matter what I did with her chicken leg, she wouldn't protect it from me.  I could take it anytime anyway.  Draco's the same.

 

But, we don't leave them alone when we give them raw legs or thighs or bones.   They can and have gone all doggy on me and done a quick round or two before I could get to them.  And, so, Just Because, I wouldn't leave dogs, kids & bones alone.

 

Even though we haven't gone completely raw for the dogs, once we got started it seems easier to us.  It was daunting just getting started. 



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Posted 21 July 2013 - 05:52 AM

Thanks alot Gib! You always have a way with words. I am going to try and keep on track with the raw diet. I think I am going to have my wife set down and read the threads that are on here about this subject. Then we will see what her prospective is then after she reads what I have been. Sometimes it is just easier for someone to read it than to try and explain it to them in words. 



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Posted 21 July 2013 - 06:25 AM

Must agree with Gib.  While our three aren't careful about what they dig for or eat (ugh) we don't do the raw eggs. Our vet would not recommend it.  We get our eggs from our neighbor who has a hugh chicken farm.  We do some raw but NEVER leave the kids alone with any kind of raw bones.  Our oldest, who is the best trained, could go doggy over bones and is very protective about 'his' stuff.  He can usually do a low roll growl and the girls will back away.  I would definitely NEVER leave the dogs with bones and kids -- ever.  Chief will wait to eat until the girls are done and kinda flaunt himself and his dinner in front of them.  If they have a marrow bone he, too, will wait until the girls are done and then dare them to think about taking his.  For these reasons, we don't leave them alone.  Larry can and does take and give food, me NO!  But it's something you have to decide for yourself.  I agree, Gib, it's very daunting to get started.  When we got our first AID, many ions ago, Willie had had salmonella poisoning at the ranch.  He was very sick and originally was supposed to go to Europe but Kim couldn't ship because of the illness so we took him when he was well and he turned out to be a magnificent animal.  Larry had taken him to the Good Morning America show to showcase the breed for Kim.  The animal psychologist was smitten with Willie and Willie was smitten with the cat that was on the show!   Not so good.


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Posted 21 July 2013 - 07:45 AM

Was researching dogfoodadvisor.com and found some treats I recently started to use as the "good" stuff for treats and rewards. They are freeze dried and from Orijen and have variety. Michi loves these treats and I wanted to recommend them. (they are alittle pricey tho)

I, too agree with Gib and judyk. I like to be watching no matter what Michi is eating. I sometimes cook eggs for a nice breakfast for Michi. For Chaska, why not a homemade kibble. It sounds like it would be a nice compromise for now at least. And would be better than IAMS. It's newest food received a bad rating. 

 

judyk, I have heard that Dusty was featured in a National Geographic program about man's first dog. Would you know anything about finding more information about that?


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Posted 21 July 2013 - 07:56 AM

Dimsum, I think maybe looking into some homemade food is a good idea. I have been wanting to switch to Canidae but have not done so yet and I can only get it by mail order since no one sells it around here. 



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Posted 21 July 2013 - 08:21 AM

Ahh ok, so something like petfooddirect.com or something? Homemade is something that I think I really want to get into not only because it's more healthy but for the cost. I've tried ALOT of different foods all rating high on the scale but Michi seems most happy and healthy with what I make from scratch for her. 


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Posted 23 July 2013 - 05:34 PM

Dusty was Willie's sister. She had th most striking eyes. It looked like there was nothing in her eyeball sockets, looked like Orphan Annie's dog in the cartoon. Let me ask Zlarry about the National Geographic tape. He's in PA right now and will be home later in the week. I'll get back to you!
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