Posted 18 July 2012 - 09:06 AM
Posted 18 July 2012 - 09:39 AM
I am so sorry to hear this. I have GSDs but have never heard of this illness. You've probably googled too but here are a few links that might have some helpful information. It does seem that there's no good or proven pathway, some have luck treating it and others not. http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/bulletins.read?mnr=416335&pagen=2 I found some information on food sensitivity. Good luck. http://www.ehow.com/way_5333351_diet-dog-perianal-fistula.html Good luck to you and Ed. Very sad.
Posted 18 July 2012 - 09:42 AM
No words can help, I know.
Our thoughts are with you.
"Where I go, Dog follows. Where I stop, Dog settles. When I am lost, Dog finds me. When I am joyful, Dog joins me. Who I am, Dog knows. What I need, Dog becomes. Dog is great. Dog is good. Dog is everything. I am Dog codependent."
Posted 18 July 2012 - 09:45 AM
Posted 18 July 2012 - 09:46 AM
Posted 18 July 2012 - 10:28 AM
-Ancient Indian Proverb-
Posted 18 July 2012 - 11:01 AM
below is the first couple paragraphs from this web site......maybe trying to build Ed's immune system could help.....just a thought!
Anal furunculosis, or peri-anal fistulas, is a chronic, progressive disease affecting the tissues surrounding the anus of the dog. It is particularly common in German Shepherd Dogs and their crosses. The clinical signs of perianal fistulas may be present for years, gradually worsening over time. A fistula is defined as an abnormal passage or communication between an internal organ and the surface of the body or between two organs, and it is typically seen as multiple draining tracts, in this case surrounding the rectum. With perianal fistulas there is communication between the rectum and the perianal area. Clinical signs may include tenesmus (straining), dyschezia (painful elimination of stool), constipation, licking of the anal area, and mucopurulent anal drainage with an odor. The end result may be anal stricture or fecal incontinence.
The cause of perianal fistulas has yet to be definitively determined, but evidence currently suggests that the condition is actually immune mediated. The German shepherd dog is the most common breed affected, but it may be seen in other large breed dogs such as the Irish setter. The typical age of onset is from 5 to 7 years. In the German shepherd the condition is believed to have a definite immunologic basis with inflammation of the entire large intestine (colitis) occurring. Many of the breeds which suffer from perianal fistulas tend to have a broad sloping tail head which may actually predispose them to the formation of fistulas.
Here's a little more info on the end of the website.....diet may help!
In cases of financial hardship, prednisone has been used with some success. Ancillary use of antibiotics may also be of benefit, especially when faced with secondary bacterial infection.
To prevent reoccurrence, a novel protein diet (a diet whose protein source the pet has not been previously exposed to) is suggested, good anal hygiene should be implemented, and the anal area should be monitored for fistula recurrence.
-Ancient Indian Proverb-
Posted 19 July 2012 - 05:20 AM
Posted 19 July 2012 - 05:51 AM
Judy in Michigan
Posted 19 July 2012 - 11:08 AM
I also had never heard of the disease, but I saw this post last night and spent several hours educating myself. I suspect I can speak for all of us when I say that this is a very scary thing to have pop up in these dogs.. Everything I've read says that there does indeed seem to be a genetic link in addition to other unknown or speculated factors, but that genetic aspect is what scares me the most. However, I do not think that this means that the breed has 'bad genetics.' As others have mentioned, it sounds like this is the first known case of the disease in AIdogs and as such, it would be impossible for Kim to have avoided something he didn't even know there was potential for in the first place. Any time you're working with a rare breed and therefore a small gene pool, you're always at risk of having these kinds of things crop up - especially as you get further and further down the generations. This is also precisely why Kim continually introduces new bloodlines whenever possible and undoubtedly why these dogs have been able to stay healthier than most. I do remember Kim telling me during my interview, when I asked if he was aware of any health concerns among any of these dogs, that the only ones he knew of were the occasional under bite, some (very few) recent instances of unknown-cause non-epilepsy-related seizures, and some allergies in some dogs. Yesterday I kept reading that PFs and allergies often went hand in hand, both being autoimmune related - which makes me wonder if perhaps there's a link between the two in Ed's case. (I think I remember you having trouble with him chewing/licking his legs also, which is often a sign of allergies). Come to think of it, Kim also warned me against overvaccinating because he was suspicious that it could be related to the random seizures that had occurred in a small handful of dogs that had been stumping vets - that also would be related to an autoimmune issue if the excessive vaccines were weakening the dogs' systems.
In any case, thanks to your letting everyone know the situation, hopefully we can use this as a warning and a learning experience.
Have you tried a topical zinc oxide cream with Ed? According to this site, quite a few folks have had good results with it, and it's cheap, which I know is very important because the rest of the treatment is most certainly not: http://perianal-fist...m/ZINCOFAX.html
I think you can use it in addition to the oral medication.
I also found a link to a genetic test offered in Finland that has been accepted by the OFA according to this site:
Here's the site of the company that does the testing (the PF test is the 'Anal Furunculosis' one):
It sounds like there is likely more than one gene that may contribute to this disease, but that there is at least one that they've been able to link to it for sure and that dogs with two copies of this gene WILL pass it on to offspring. Unfortunately the test to determine whether or not dogs are carrying this is not inexpensive.
I hope others will report back to Kim as well if their dogs end up coming down with this... I think the more informed he is the better a chance he has at doing whatever he can to avoid it in future generations.
I am so sorry you're dealing with this, Puckmonkey. I wish you all the best with the treatment and with keeping Ed comfortable. I read of several cases of this disease last night on the GSD forum, including other 'worst case the vet has ever seen' ones that did eventually respond to treatment. Don't lose hope yet.
Posted 19 July 2012 - 06:48 PM
Posted 19 July 2012 - 08:05 PM
Judy in Michigan
Posted 24 July 2012 - 08:38 PM
And here's my dog Danza
Posted 25 July 2012 - 05:47 AM
I spend a lot of time thinking of you and sending blessings.
"Things work out best for those who make the best out of the way things work out."
Posted 25 July 2012 - 06:12 AM
Gib thank you too for all your updates too....I think of these pups and the owners as a "PACK"....a large one but a awesome one!!! My thoughts wander to "THE PACK" many times during a 24 hour period....... wandering and hoping all is well for everyone!
-Ancient Indian Proverb-
Posted 25 July 2012 - 10:29 AM
Posted 25 July 2012 - 02:18 PM
Posted 25 July 2012 - 10:58 PM
Posted 26 July 2012 - 05:32 AM
It's not fun to be as uncomfortable as you are at the moment. And we know Puckmonkey is in total anguish over you, and so worried he can't sleep at night. We hope you can beat this perianal fistula disease and you get better real soon.
Lick a bone, it will make you feel a tiny bit happier.
Thinking of you daily,
Tolinka and Two Step
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